tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8694556.post5488804788258964774..comments2023-11-05T07:44:36.996-05:00Comments on anaba: Eric Gelber on Kelli WilliamsMartinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13383812070175961882noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8694556.post-61374086533580870312008-12-29T21:51:00.000-05:002008-12-29T21:51:00.000-05:00Sounds to me like all Mr. Gelber does is whine.Sounds to me like all Mr. Gelber does is whine.Michael Leonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14715186393698250264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8694556.post-67145712415085302762008-05-16T02:43:00.000-04:002008-05-16T02:43:00.000-04:00I agree with you about these. Well someday Ill cre...I agree with you about these. Well someday Ill create a blog to compete you! lolz.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8694556.post-65899720939994257542008-05-15T18:10:00.000-04:002008-05-15T18:10:00.000-04:00I felt guilty so I will confess. That last comment...I felt guilty so I will confess. That last comment was mine. <BR/><BR/>L for loser.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8694556.post-68444276676597652702008-05-15T09:41:00.000-04:002008-05-15T09:41:00.000-04:00Wow! Eric Gelber is a genius.Wow! Eric Gelber is a genius.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8694556.post-18061886898811249402008-05-03T07:34:00.000-04:002008-05-03T07:34:00.000-04:00Cooks' Cottage (also known as Captain Cook's Cotta...Cooks' Cottage (also known as Captain Cook's Cottage) is located in the Fitzroy Gardens, Melbourne, Australia. The cottage was constructed in 1755 in the English village of Great Ayton, North Yorkshire, by the parents of Captain James Cook, James and Grace Cook. It is a point of conjecture among historians whether James Cook, the famous navigator, ever lived in the house, but almost certainly he visited his parents at the house.<BR/><A HREF="http://keno-game.freehost.lt/" REL="nofollow">keno game</A><BR/><A HREF="http://alyssa-milano-xxx.freehost.lt" REL="nofollow">alyssa milano xxx</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8694556.post-15156878365187960902008-04-29T17:55:00.000-04:002008-04-29T17:55:00.000-04:00coo' just makin' sure..sounds like a plan...coo' just makin' sure..<BR/><BR/>sounds like a plan...Barnabyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10173849008817016053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8694556.post-73534543735217333002008-04-29T11:46:00.000-04:002008-04-29T11:46:00.000-04:00I thought that was what you meant Barnaby. Sorry i...I thought that was what you meant Barnaby. Sorry if I didn't sound like I felt that way. Get in touch about the studio visit and I will contact my editor David Cohen and see what we can do. Later...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8694556.post-82820747418255551942008-04-29T11:09:00.000-04:002008-04-29T11:09:00.000-04:00I just want to state for the record.. I wasn't com...I just want to state for the record.. I wasn't coming from the stand point no one understood how much better things are compared to jpeg just strictly saying in relation to Kelli that while you can have a great even visceral reaction to a jpeg of her work .. in person.. well.. it felt almost like a physical punch.. and I was surprised because I felt I knew those pieces already.. <BR/><BR/>definitely just sayin' it in a -"Well if ya think ya love them now way just wait til ya..." way-Barnabyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10173849008817016053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8694556.post-29718030396293061692008-04-29T08:28:00.000-04:002008-04-29T08:28:00.000-04:00Feel free to contact me at ericgelber@artcritical....Feel free to contact me at ericgelber@artcritical.com.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8694556.post-44380230282086488482008-04-29T08:27:00.000-04:002008-04-29T08:27:00.000-04:00There are many components of the work that are com...There are many components of the work that are completely missing from the digital images of them. It is an incomplete experience. To fully experience the art you must see it in person unless the artist created the work specifically for the computer monitor. Martin we should try to set up a studio visit for this summer. The same goes for Barnaby and Kelli. I would have to visit the studio, do an interview (which I would record), take a few digital photos, and then go back home and try yo put together a worthwhile studio visit piece that I can submit to David Cohen over at artcritical. You guys should let me know where your studios are and what your summer schedules are like. I get off work for the summer on June 26.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8694556.post-77425586020672792602008-04-29T01:01:00.000-04:002008-04-29T01:01:00.000-04:00okay, i am eagerly waiting, but i might have to ad...okay, i am eagerly waiting, but i might have to add you to my bibliography.<BR/><BR/>about that site i am making for my stuff... it's not done yet.. i'm still figuring out exactly how i want to do it. i think i'm going to add more stuff to it.<BR/><BR/>and yeah, of course everything is better experienced in real life... i like how those paintings look from the sides, because i do them mostly flat and a lot of stuff pours over the sides, and some are wrapped and tied with other fabrics that are unpainted on the sides. <BR/><BR/>plus, on the internet they're cropped so straight along the edges, but really are wobbly/uneven/crusty.Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13383812070175961882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8694556.post-67078456426077493612008-04-29T00:12:00.000-04:002008-04-29T00:12:00.000-04:00Barnaby I really wanted to see your show when I wa...Barnaby I really wanted to see your show when I was in NYC a few weeks ago but I failed to do so. Eventaully I will see your stuff live. I look forward to it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8694556.post-56933505064055258052008-04-29T00:00:00.000-04:002008-04-29T00:00:00.000-04:00Yes Barnaby there is no doubt in my mind that seei...Yes Barnaby there is no doubt in my mind that seeing paintings live is different from seeing digital images of them. I wouldn't argue this and I think it is universally accepted by most visual artists that this is the case. However, I do think you can have legitimate and meaningful experiences seeing digital images of real world objects. I wouldn't want Kelli or Martin to think I was pulling this stuff out of my arse. I would definitely have more insights into the work if I saw it live and was able to speak directly with the artist. I know paintersnyc. I left a comment on Katy Moran’s painting using a pseudonym. Martin I will post at least one more comment on your work tomorrow when I am at work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8694556.post-91119872781649225152008-04-28T23:14:00.000-04:002008-04-28T23:14:00.000-04:00eric, THANKS! so much of what you have said hits t...eric, THANKS! so much of what you have said hits the nail on the head, and articulates what i'm thinking. VERY helpful to read what you are processing.<BR/><BR/>"the circles symbolize ideas or concepts, nothing specific mind you, but enclosed entities, be they ideational or things in the physical world"<BR/><BR/>"suggest artifice and manufactured goods"<BR/><BR/>"your use of the circle and foreign materials underline the thingness of the painting"<BR/><BR/>"There is a genuine tension present in your work, between objectness and depiction of atmospheric effects and interacting forces or abstract entities" <BR/><BR/>"The paintings where some fabric or other material pierces/punctures the picture surface, and violates the illusion of pictorial space, are more violent, but you consciously choose the coloration of the found objects that penetrate and weave in and out of the painting surface. So these elements are painterly as well, but they are essentially disruptive. There are definitely contradictory urges present in your work"<BR/><BR/>ERIC - do you know about paintersnyc, referenced by barnaby? it's at http://painternyc.blogspot.com/<BR/><BR/>kelli was on there 1/2006 - <BR/>http://painternyc.blogspot.com/search?q=kelli+williams<BR/><BR/>barnaby is on there now - <BR/>http://painternyc.blogspot.com/2008/04/barnaby-whitfield.htmlMartinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13383812070175961882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8694556.post-31133635458834613992008-04-28T18:33:00.000-04:002008-04-28T18:33:00.000-04:00One day Eric.. you HAVE to see Kelli's work in per...One day Eric.. you HAVE to see Kelli's work in person. In-fucking-credible. Definitely a case for how vast the difference can be between jpeg and actuality.. EVEN with work you adore.<BR/><BR/>Now someone go say that about me on Paintersnyc.<BR/><BR/>I KID!Barnabyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10173849008817016053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8694556.post-12789442710565838882008-04-28T17:03:00.000-04:002008-04-28T17:03:00.000-04:00What an incredibly thoughtful and insightful analy...What an incredibly thoughtful and insightful analysis. Thanks Martin and thanks Eric and thanks Kelli for the painting!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8694556.post-395656254193568962008-04-28T12:25:00.000-04:002008-04-28T12:25:00.000-04:00There is a genuine tension present in your work, b...There is a genuine tension present in your work, between objectness and depiction of atmospheric effects and interacting forces or abstract entities. They suggest the birth and/or death of worlds, a pre or post-human environment. The circle paintings in particular remind me of images of deep space phenomena captured by the Hubble telescope. Dark matter swallowing up galaxies, suns being born and dieing. <BR/><BR/>The other paintings, where some fabric or other material pierces/punctures the picture surface, and violates the illusion of pictorial space, are more violent, but you consciously choose the coloration of the found objects that penetrate and weave in and out of the painting surface. So these elements are painterly as well, but they are essentially disruptive. So there are definitely contradictory urges present in your work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8694556.post-43196086886565096902008-04-28T09:38:00.000-04:002008-04-28T09:38:00.000-04:00The paintings I am writing about can be found here...The paintings I am writing about can be found <A HREF="http://www.bromirski.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">here</A>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8694556.post-55466210608293665982008-04-28T09:25:00.000-04:002008-04-28T09:25:00.000-04:00I would never have come close to an appreciation o...I would never have come close to an appreciation of this painting without Eric's description (from a JPEG, no less).<BR/><BR/>I agree that Martin also 'opens eyes' in that he shares his receptive nature well. <BR/><BR/>Great post get sucked into. Back to skimming...Carlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00441252185724289126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8694556.post-69552295487902376402008-04-28T08:46:00.000-04:002008-04-28T08:46:00.000-04:00The circles in your work also remind me of the tra...The circles in your work also remind me of the transparent orbs (even though they are opaque) one sees when looking at the sun. They look like floaters and spots, backfirings of the retinal apparatus. And this again combines concepts of inner and outer space. It is interesting to see that you used to do landscapes, mountainous terrains with turbulent skies. These circle paintings and the paintings in which you have a material weave in and out (literarily) of the picture surface are metaphysical landscapes. They depict and describe unknown places. At the same time, your use of the circle and foreign materials underline the thingness of the painting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8694556.post-54452293002486130722008-04-27T23:21:00.000-04:002008-04-27T23:21:00.000-04:00Hey Martin I checked out http://www.bromirski.blog...Hey Martin I checked out http://www.bromirski.blogspot.com and I was really impressed. It was good to see some of your paintings close up rather than at a distance because you can really make out the subtleties of the colors and textures. Your paintings have this timeless quality. They are abstract representations of celestial events. Shapes and colors interact seemingly with intent but it is a mystery what these actions and gestures mean. The circle has so many connections to the organic and non-organic realms, the history of religion and architecture. Of course perfect circles don't often appear in nature, if ever, so the geometry you use off-sets any associations the work has with the organic world as we know it. But the blended and overlapping colors, the nuanced tonal shifts and beautiful juxtapositions, suggest artifice and manufactured goods. But when the whole surface coheres it is as if we are looking at shifting skies from the surface of an alien planet. The circles you use, in my mind, symbolize ideas or concepts, nothing specific mind you, but enclosed entities, be they ideational or things in the physical world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8694556.post-30271440526044360602008-04-27T20:52:00.000-04:002008-04-27T20:52:00.000-04:00kelli - thanks, and to barnaby. i needed to hear s...kelli - thanks, and to barnaby. i needed to hear something like that.<BR/><BR/>eric - thank you to you as well.Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13383812070175961882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8694556.post-27970721706104618612008-04-27T20:13:00.000-04:002008-04-27T20:13:00.000-04:00impact not inpact. Maybe that is why I don't work ...impact not inpact. Maybe that is why I don't work in academia.<BR/>By the way, thanks for the compliment Kelli. I don't mean to sound bitter and defensive. It just gets tiring to hear over and over again that art critics suck. There are about thirty or so full-time art critics in this country; people who can work at nothing but their craft. Needless to say, I ain't one of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8694556.post-58720693851229337302008-04-27T17:25:00.000-04:002008-04-27T17:25:00.000-04:00Kelli:I am not sure if any human is capable of wri...Kelli:<BR/><BR/>I am not sure if any human is capable of writing about art objects "without imposing" their "own perspective on them." <BR/><BR/>I usually get shit sandwiches served to me as an art critic (as do most art critics). Meaning I am almost never paid for my work and it is usually done in a complete vacuum. I get zero feedback except for the occasional disparaging remark on a blog comment thread. I occasionally get emails from artists I write about but these are exceptions to the rule. And as you know most art world people consider art critics to be somewhere between pederasts, the mentally disabled, and fascist dictators, on the value scale.<BR/><BR/>My art criticism rests entirely on the act of encountering the work. I think comparisons to other work or pseudo historicism are both the weakest aspects of the genre and I certainly have no one to impress. I also do not hold a position in academia so that greatly inpacts the writing as well. <BR/><BR/>Martin does an excellent job presenting to his readers art that is ignored by the mainstream art press and much that appears in the world completely outside the art world, and he provides insightful commentary on all of it. He also writes insightfully about a variety of art world issues, and often he is the only one out there writing about it. Anyone who brings attention to the majority of art that is made and displayed and gets completely ignored is noble.<BR/><BR/>Rock on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8694556.post-2008265084012562082008-04-27T14:37:00.000-04:002008-04-27T14:37:00.000-04:00Eric does write really well. Sometimes I feel like...Eric does write really well. Sometimes I feel like I'm working in a vacuum when I'm in the studio alone so it was helpful reading those comments.<BR/>Also Martin I have to say I was having a conversation with Barnaby about this and you write very well too. Basically the gist of the conversation was that you take the time to really look at things and try to understand what the artist was thinking without imposing your own perspective on them. You manage to write about a broad range of work without seeming like you are being patronizing or just trying to be inclusive. In that respect I think you are actually ahead of some people who do art criticism professionally. We kind of have different taste and I think you like installation art and minimal sculpture more than me but sometimes I find myself giving things you write about a second change because of what you appreciated about them.kellihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14026153505404995756noreply@blogger.com