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Tyler Green, Jay Jordan, Qi Peng, William Powhida, Hrag Vartanian twitter.
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HRAG: I'm starting to think @tylergreendc & @artfagcity are secretly attracted to each other in a "meet me in the New Museum bathroom" kinda way.9:56 AM Jul 7th from TweetDeck

TG: @jaymjordan @jenbee @hragv LOL. What about the issue I raised? Response? Thoughts?11:10 AM Jul 7th from UberTwitter in reply to jaymjordan

TRYHARDERART: @tylergreendc how do you talk/connect to those outside the inner art world?11:16 AM Jul 7th from web

HRAG: @TylerGreenDC Discussing MoMA on FB may not be best venue but I chalk that up to Jerry being a luddite & still figuring out online nuances.11:19 AM Jul 7th from TweetDeck in reply to TylerGreenDC

TG: @tryharderart me specifically? Op-eds, etc. Jerry, however, has tons more juice/cred than I do. He can work venues I can't.11:26 AM Jul 7th from UberTwitter in reply to tryharderart

WP: @hragv re: Jerry FB, I heard he chose facebook because he can control who responds to him. No anonymous, no trolls. 11:36 AM Jul 7th from TweetDeck in reply to hragv

TG: @Powhida still the narrowest, most insider audience tho, right? AFC missed it, but that's the point I was trying to make.11:50 AM Jul 7th from UberTwitter in reply to Powhida

JJ: It's time to wade into the Jerry Saltz @tylergreendc @artfagcity discussion. Especially since I've been ruminating on it for a while now.11:50 AM Jul 7th from Tweetie

TG: @jaymjordan int'g phrasing. Because AFC's post had little to do with the thrust of mine...11:52 AM Jul 7th from UberTwitter in reply to jaymjordan

JJ: A roundup: @tylergreendc posted this http://bit.ly/nmpgX which provoked @artfagcity to respond with this http://bit.ly/KyJe11:57 AM Jul 7th from web

WP: @TylerGreenDC Absolutely, I'd agree with that, in so much as being able to interact with Jerry. Is anyone reposting his FB anywhere else?11:57 AM Jul 7th from TweetDeck in reply to TylerGreenDC

WP: @TylerGreenDC 5,000 isn't a tiny number, like say my 157 followers, but there's way more than 10,000 artists alone out there....12:00 PM Jul 7th from TweetDeck in reply to TylerGreenDC

WP: All this fuss about Jerry FBing. Being a famous art critic is like being a famous account to paraphrase a quote by Austin Thomas.12:02 PM Jul 7th from TweetDeck

JJ: I've been following Jerry Saltz's Facebook campaign to see more women represented at MOMA since it came to my attention about a month ago.12:05 PM Jul 7th from web

TG: @Powhida The NYT reaches millions per day. So too WSJ and NPR. Why not take the issue there? Why limit it to 5K?12:05 PM Jul 7th from UberTwitter in reply to Powhida

WP: @TylerGreenDC That's the heart of it right? It would probably piss off a lot of rich conservatives who fund museums and see no gender issue12:06 PM Jul 7th from TweetDeck in reply to TylerGreenDC

WP: @TylerGreenDC ie, it's like declaring yourself a feminist, which can be detrimental in the art world. Seriously, and that is a problem.12:08 PM Jul 7th from TweetDeck in reply to TylerGreenDC

WP: @TylerGreenDC and while I'm part of the problem, another man animal, I heard an example of this from a Whitney Biennial artist.12:09 PM Jul 7th from TweetDeck in reply to TylerGreenDC

QI: @Powhida why is declaration of feminism a bad thing?12:10 PM Jul 7th from TwitterBerry

JJ: Saltz's campaign is interesting for two reasons. One being the issue he raises and two the forum in which he has chosen to raise it.12:10 PM Jul 7th from web

JJ: In the past week I have spoken to a couple of colleagues about this and in both cases I was shocked to find out they were unaware of this.12:12 PM Jul 7th from web

JJ: In one case I got a "who is Jerry Saltz" from someone who really should know better. I also got the social media is stupid response too.12:13 PM Jul 7th from web

WP: @qipeng Because Qi, there are a lot of conservatives who fund art museums and buy art who dislike Feminism, as it clashes with their values12:15 PM Jul 7th from TweetDeck in reply to qipeng

JJ: Based on the world conversations I've had about arts writing and social media I decided to post the @tylergreendc article to Facebook.12:16 PM Jul 7th from web

WP: @jaymjordan We all know Jerry, but I'll say it again Being a famous art critic is lk being a famous accountant. stole that frm Austin Thomas12:17 PM Jul 7th from TweetDeck in reply to jaymjordan

JJ: I chose to post the @tylergreendc article on Facebook and not Twitter because I hoped it would have more impact with my colleagues there.12:18 PM Jul 7th from web

WP: @qipeng or in most cases, it's more like "what problem? There's no gender problem? That's old news, right?" Sure. It's all equitable12:20 PM Jul 7th from TweetDeck in reply to qipeng

QI: @Powhida indeed however there was that WACK retrospective that travelled to museums all over12:22 PM Jul 7th from TwitterBerry

WP: @qipeng yep, and it serves to put Feminism in a historical context. Wrap it up, and say 'look we did good' Feminism has a wing at BAM...12:24 PM Jul 7th from TweetDeck in reply to qipeng

QI: @Powhida also feminism is not always against conservative thought for some12:24 PM Jul 7th from TwitterBerry

JJ: I did exactly what @tylergreendc says Jerry Saltz is doing (to a lesser degree). I'm speaking to very a small group of art world 'insiders'.12:25 PM Jul 7th from web

QI: @Powhida indeed is there feminism in art dealing? Perhaps...12:26 PM Jul 7th from TwitterBerry

QI: @Powhida also another problem is that every idea becomes a commodity. Big brother wins by buying our ideas12:27 PM Jul 7th from TwitterBerry

WP: @qipeng 'Big Brother', you said it man.12:31 PM Jul 7th from TweetDeck in reply to qipeng

JJ: Does Jerry Saltz's role as a journalist and his potentially giant platform mean he should adhere to different rules than me? @tylergreendc12:46 PM Jul 7th from web

TG: @jaymjordan Ah but you are not the two-time Pulitzer Prize finalist art critic for New York magazine. JS has access to media that we don't.12:48 PM Jul 7th from TweetDeck in reply to jaymjordan

HRAG: @Powhida I think Jerry's reason is lame, we can't control conversations...then again may be a generation thing or I'm just not that famous.12:58 PM Jul 7th from web in reply to Powhida

JJ: To me it's a question of good reporting or effective advocacy. I wonder if it would have the same impact if he used another outlet?1:01 PM Jul 7th from web

TG: @Powhida I don't think that's the heart of it, no. (Your first of three, if that's not too confusing...)1:06 PM Jul 7th from TweetDeck in reply to Powhida

WP: @hragv I agree, if that's his primary motivation to experiment with limited accessibility.1:09 PM Jul 7th from TweetDeck in reply to hragv

WP: @TylerGreenDC So it remains about accessibility for you? I understand that. I guess I'm wondering why Jerry won't use other platforms1:11 PM Jul 7th from TweetDeck in reply to TylerGreenDC

TG: @Powhida Precisement! He could reach millions via NYT, WSJ, NPR, etc. op-eds. (Just one example.)1:13 PM Jul 7th from TweetDeck in reply to Powhida

QI: @Powhida could Jerry use twitter?1:15 PM Jul 7th from TwitterBerry

WP: @hragv then again, fb offers the possibility of knowing who you are conversing with unlike say an unmoderated blog...1:20 PM Jul 7th from TweetDeck in reply to hragv

WP: @TylerGreenDC So, why doesn't he on an issue he obviously cares about?1:21 PM Jul 7th from TweetDeck in reply to TylerGreenDC

TG: @Powhida Beats me. Hence the post. When I think something I think deserves a broader audience, I go op-ed. Most of us writers do!1:22 PM Jul 7th from TweetDeck in reply to Powhida

WP: @qipeng Why not. It'd be a great forum to discuss an article written for a broad audience. Not the best place though for composition1:23 PM Jul 7th from TweetDeck in reply to qipeng

JJ: @TylerGreenDC I understand that, and you're right, but if his goal is to affect change a small number of 'insiders' may be all it takes.1:23 PM Jul 7th from web in reply to TylerGreenDC

WP: @TylerGreenDC then maybe I'm a cynic, lol, because I wonder why he won't do it on a national stage.1:24 PM Jul 7th from TweetDeck in reply to TylerGreenDC

WP: RT @jaymjordan: @TylerGreenDC I understand that, and you're right, but if his goal is to affect change a small number of 'insiders'1:25 PM Jul 7th from TweetDeck

WP: cont may be all it takes1:25 PM Jul 7th from TweetDeck

TG: @jaymjordan But that's my point. A good critic can do more than that. A good critic can broaden the discussion.1:25 PM Jul 7th from TweetDeck in reply to jaymjordan

WP: @jaymjordan The insiders can change, but public pressure; heck exposure can be a powerful influence1:26 PM Jul 7th from TweetDeck in reply to jaymjordan

JJ: @TylerGreenDC On the other hand his approach also pushes arts journalism that much farther into the margins.1:26 PM Jul 7th from web in reply to TylerGreenDC

HRAG: @Powhida Jerry may be disappointed as FB opens everything up to public as a default setting: http://bit.ly/viKri1:30 PM Jul 7th from TweetDeck in reply to Powhida

HRAG: RT @veken @hragv I've been waiting for my FB friend confirmation from Jerry Saltz for months. I'm essentially locked out of that discussion.2:26 PM Jul 7th from TweetDeck

QI: @Powhida true but you can break down the ideas into smaller pieces in twitter... plus it's more of a symposium here than on Facebook.2:41 PM Jul 7th from web in reply to Powhida

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