.Tyler Green,
Jay Jordan,
Qi Peng,
William Powhida,
Hrag Vartanian twitter.
________________________________HRAG: I'm starting to think @
tylergreendc & @
artfagcity are secretly attracted to each other in a "meet me in the New Museum bathroom" kinda way.
9:56 AM Jul 7th from
TweetDeckTG: @
jaymjordan @
jenbee @
hragv LOL. What about the issue I raised? Response? Thoughts?
11:10 AM Jul 7th from
UberTwitter in reply to jaymjordanTRYHARDERART: @
tylergreendc how do you talk/connect to those outside the inner art world?
11:16 AM Jul 7th from web
HRAG: @
TylerGreenDC Discussing MoMA on FB may not be best venue but I chalk that up to Jerry being a luddite & still figuring out online nuances.
11:19 AM Jul 7th from
TweetDeck in reply to TylerGreenDCTG: @
tryharderart me specifically? Op-eds, etc. Jerry, however, has tons more juice/cred than I do. He can work venues I can't.
11:26 AM Jul 7th from
UberTwitter in reply to tryharderartWP: @
hragv re: Jerry FB, I heard he chose facebook because he can control who responds to him. No anonymous, no trolls.
11:36 AM Jul 7th from
TweetDeck in reply to hragvTG: @
Powhida still the narrowest, most insider audience tho, right? AFC missed it, but that's the point I was trying to make.
11:50 AM Jul 7th from
UberTwitter in reply to PowhidaJJ: It's time to wade into the Jerry Saltz @
tylergreendc @
artfagcity discussion. Especially since I've been ruminating on it for a while now.
11:50 AM Jul 7th from
TweetieTG: @
jaymjordan int'g phrasing. Because AFC's post had little to do with the thrust of mine...
11:52 AM Jul 7th from
UberTwitter in reply to jaymjordanJJ: A roundup: @
tylergreendc posted this
http://bit.ly/nmpgX which provoked @
artfagcity to respond with this
http://bit.ly/KyJe11:57 AM Jul 7th from web
WP: @
TylerGreenDC Absolutely, I'd agree with that, in so much as being able to interact with Jerry. Is anyone reposting his FB anywhere else?
11:57 AM Jul 7th from
TweetDeck in reply to TylerGreenDCWP: @
TylerGreenDC 5,000 isn't a tiny number, like say my 157 followers, but there's way more than 10,000 artists alone out there....
12:00 PM Jul 7th from
TweetDeck in reply to TylerGreenDCWP: All this fuss about Jerry FBing. Being a famous art critic is like being a famous account to paraphrase a quote by Austin Thomas.
12:02 PM Jul 7th from
TweetDeckJJ: I've been following Jerry Saltz's Facebook campaign to see more women represented at MOMA since it came to my attention about a month ago.
12:05 PM Jul 7th from web
TG: @
Powhida The NYT reaches millions per day. So too WSJ and NPR. Why not take the issue there? Why limit it to 5K?
12:05 PM Jul 7th from
UberTwitter in reply to PowhidaWP: @
TylerGreenDC That's the heart of it right? It would probably piss off a lot of rich conservatives who fund museums and see no gender issue
12:06 PM Jul 7th from
TweetDeck in reply to TylerGreenDCWP: @
TylerGreenDC ie, it's like declaring yourself a feminist, which can be detrimental in the art world. Seriously, and that is a problem.
12:08 PM Jul 7th from
TweetDeck in reply to TylerGreenDCWP: @
TylerGreenDC and while I'm part of the problem, another man animal, I heard an example of this from a Whitney Biennial artist.
12:09 PM Jul 7th from
TweetDeck in reply to TylerGreenDCQI: @
Powhida why is declaration of feminism a bad thing?
12:10 PM Jul 7th from
TwitterBerryJJ: Saltz's campaign is interesting for two reasons. One being the issue he raises and two the forum in which he has chosen to raise it.
12:10 PM Jul 7th from web
JJ: In the past week I have spoken to a couple of colleagues about this and in both cases I was shocked to find out they were unaware of this.
12:12 PM Jul 7th from web
JJ: In one case I got a "who is Jerry Saltz" from someone who really should know better. I also got the social media is stupid response too.
12:13 PM Jul 7th from web
WP: @
qipeng Because Qi, there are a lot of conservatives who fund art museums and buy art who dislike Feminism, as it clashes with their values
12:15 PM Jul 7th from
TweetDeck in reply to qipengJJ: Based on the world conversations I've had about arts writing and social media I decided to post the @
tylergreendc article to Facebook.
12:16 PM Jul 7th from web
WP: @
jaymjordan We all know Jerry, but I'll say it again Being a famous art critic is lk being a famous accountant. stole that frm Austin Thomas
12:17 PM Jul 7th from
TweetDeck in reply to jaymjordanJJ: I chose to post the @
tylergreendc article on Facebook and not Twitter because I hoped it would have more impact with my colleagues there.
12:18 PM Jul 7th from web
WP: @
qipeng or in most cases, it's more like "what problem? There's no gender problem? That's old news, right?" Sure. It's all equitable
12:20 PM Jul 7th from
TweetDeck in reply to qipengQI: @
Powhida indeed however there was that WACK retrospective that travelled to museums all over
12:22 PM Jul 7th from
TwitterBerryWP: @
qipeng yep, and it serves to put Feminism in a historical context. Wrap it up, and say 'look we did good' Feminism has a wing at BAM...
12:24 PM Jul 7th from
TweetDeck in reply to qipengQI: @
Powhida also feminism is not always against conservative thought for some
12:24 PM Jul 7th from
TwitterBerryJJ: I did exactly what @
tylergreendc says Jerry Saltz is doing (to a lesser degree). I'm speaking to very a small group of art world 'insiders'.
12:25 PM Jul 7th from web
QI: @
Powhida indeed is there feminism in art dealing? Perhaps...
12:26 PM Jul 7th from
TwitterBerryQI: @
Powhida also another problem is that every idea becomes a commodity. Big brother wins by buying our ideas
12:27 PM Jul 7th from
TwitterBerryWP: @
qipeng 'Big Brother', you said it man.
12:31 PM Jul 7th from
TweetDeck in reply to qipengJJ: Does Jerry Saltz's role as a journalist and his potentially giant platform mean he should adhere to different rules than me? @t
ylergreendc12:46 PM Jul 7th from web
TG: @
jaymjordan Ah but you are not the two-time Pulitzer Prize finalist art critic for New York magazine. JS has access to media that we don't.
12:48 PM Jul 7th from
TweetDeck in reply to jaymjordanHRAG: @
Powhida I think Jerry's reason is lame, we can't control conversations...then again may be a generation thing or I'm just not that famous.
12:58 PM Jul 7th from web
in reply to PowhidaJJ: To me it's a question of good reporting or effective advocacy. I wonder if it would have the same impact if he used another outlet?
1:01 PM Jul 7th from web
TG: @
Powhida I don't think that's the heart of it, no. (Your first of three, if that's not too confusing...)
1:06 PM Jul 7th from
TweetDeck in reply to PowhidaWP: @
hragv I agree, if that's his primary motivation to experiment with limited accessibility.
1:09 PM Jul 7th from
TweetDeck in reply to hragvWP: @
TylerGreenDC So it remains about accessibility for you? I understand that. I guess I'm wondering why Jerry won't use other platforms
1:11 PM Jul 7th from
TweetDeck in reply to TylerGreenDCTG: @
Powhida Precisement! He could reach millions via NYT, WSJ, NPR, etc. op-eds. (Just one example.)
1:13 PM Jul 7th from
TweetDeck in reply to PowhidaQI: @
Powhida could Jerry use twitter?
1:15 PM Jul 7th from
TwitterBerryWP: @
hragv then again, fb offers the possibility of knowing who you are conversing with unlike say an unmoderated blog...
1:20 PM Jul 7th from
TweetDeck in reply to hragvWP: @
TylerGreenDC So, why doesn't he on an issue he obviously cares about?
1:21 PM Jul 7th from
TweetDeck in reply to TylerGreenDCTG: @
Powhida Beats me. Hence the post. When I think something I think deserves a broader audience, I go op-ed. Most of us writers do!
1:22 PM Jul 7th from
TweetDeck in reply to PowhidaWP: @
qipeng Why not. It'd be a great forum to discuss an article written for a broad audience. Not the best place though for composition
1:23 PM Jul 7th from
TweetDeck in reply to qipengJJ: @
TylerGreenDC I understand that, and you're right, but if his goal is to affect change a small number of 'insiders' may be all it takes.
1:23 PM Jul 7th from web
in reply to TylerGreenDCWP: @
TylerGreenDC then maybe I'm a cynic, lol, because I wonder why he won't do it on a national stage.
1:24 PM Jul 7th from
TweetDeck in reply to TylerGreenDCWP: RT @
jaymjordan: @
TylerGreenDC I understand that, and you're right, but if his goal is to affect change a small number of 'insiders'
1:25 PM Jul 7th from
TweetDeckWP: cont may be all it takes
1:25 PM Jul 7th from
TweetDeckTG: @
jaymjordan But that's my point. A good critic can do more than that. A good critic can broaden the discussion.
1:25 PM Jul 7th from
TweetDeck in reply to jaymjordanWP: @
jaymjordan The insiders can change, but public pressure; heck exposure can be a powerful influence
1:26 PM Jul 7th from
TweetDeck in reply to jaymjordanJJ: @
TylerGreenDC On the other hand his approach also pushes arts journalism that much farther into the margins.
1:26 PM Jul 7th from web
in reply to TylerGreenDCHRAG: @
Powhida Jerry may be disappointed as FB opens everything up to public as a default setting:
http://bit.ly/viKri1:30 PM Jul 7th from
TweetDeck in reply to PowhidaHRAG: RT @
veken @
hragv I've been waiting for my FB friend confirmation from Jerry Saltz for months. I'm essentially locked out of that discussion.
2:26 PM Jul 7th from
TweetDeckQI: @
Powhida true but you can break down the ideas into smaller pieces in twitter... plus it's more of a symposium here than on Facebook.
2:41 PM Jul 7th from web
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